Hello nice people,
I’ve been using NiceHash app for some time 5-6 years ago. (It was a simple app for mining cryptocurrency and you get paid in bitcoin on their wallet, then you could transfer bitcoin to another wallet.) It was working fine until they got hacked (or fooled us) and lost all crypto. Luckily I didn’t loose much like some guys did. I decided not to use the service anymore and I’m still receiving stupid e-mail newsletters. I tried to unsubscribe and It asks me for login, I know password, but don’t have 2fa anymore. Also I don’t have backup 16 words.
Now support told me that this is the only way and I feel ridiculous about taking selfie just to unsubscribe. Am I protected against this somehow? I live in Europe and I think Nicehash is located in neighbourhood.
And of course I never wanted to subscribe…and I don’t think I ever verified account with a document.
What are my options other than just filtering that shitty domain as spam?
edit: typo
Nothing says decentralized currency like having a corporation that controls your assets 😋
Don’t point out how all their bullshit requires middlemen and accounts holding their currency to make it work. That makes it looks silly. Almost like it’s just more complicated harder to use money that people can more easily steal from you.
That looks like a proper request to disable 2FA. Their problem is requiring login to unsubscribe from newsletter emails, which is total BS.
If support won’t take your email out of their list, just block the address / domain and move on, I guess.
I wouldn’t give them any extra personal info after what happened.
Additionally use any report functionality at your disposal, which may cause some mail providers to block them or cause them to offer proper opt out in the future.
All marketing emails are supposed to have a simple opt out without needing anything other than your email address.
This is what I do when I can’t unsubscribe in a minute. No reason to waste time on this, it is a solved problem.
It’s probably not for marketing emails. They probably require login to disable account alerts. Imagine a threat actor gets access to your account, turns off transaction alerts so you aren’t notified, then transfers out all your crypto.
I’m certain the marketing emails don’t require login to unsubscribe.
GDPR allows for the company to verify your identity before proceeding with deletion. Source: https://commission.europa.eu/law/law-topic/data-protection/reform/rules-business-and-organisations/dealing-citizens/how-should-requests-individuals-exercising-their-data-protection-rights-be-dealt_en
[The company] can ask [you] for additional information in order to confirm the identity of the person making the request.
But if OP did not provide “selfie” during registration, providing it now doesn’t help confirming his identity so it doesn’t fall into that category. I would aks them how do they justify that and if they are trying to discouraged me from deleting the account.
Also, Im not trying to delete account (but that eould be ideal), Im just trying to unsubscribe. I guess it doesnt matter here FML 😂
They should unsubscribe you by simple request and only need your e-mail for that. You could verify by clicking a link in an unsubscribe email.
They can’t ask for more information than what they needed to create your account.
But maybe they’re seen as a bank and then they have to confirm your identity with a copy of your id.
Ive never heard of bank asking selfie. I wouldnt even provide ID, but that would make bit more sense
KYC (Know Your Costumor) Here you have a small overview.
When you create an account online, a selfie along with a copy of your id is deemed minimal verification.
Ive used face scanning on some other crypto service, but didnt know its a thing in banking. Thanks for sharing, but it still doesnt explain why I need that just to unsubscribe. I could accept that they are trying to protect me, but they obviously have diferent plans. My experience and recent communication with support proved NiceHash is ran buy toxic garbage and not by people who run a bank or anything close to that.
They need to be sure it’s you who’s unsubscribing, I suppose. There’s been enough social engineering to not rely on emails only.
I see that selfie is the only solution to unsubscribe (if not involving lawyer or just spam filter).
I understand what you are saying, but If I lost my email why would they send newsletter to a new owner? It just makes no sense since 99% can be unsubscribed with no login or whatever they ask.
Sorry, its hard to accept any safety meassure as explanation due to bad reputation of NiceHash. Also after talking to human support I just feel even less safe tbh, but it doesnt surprise me at all, its company that took my crypto back in a day.
Ill try fake pic when I get some time to burn
Thanks for the link. Feels bad tho 😭 gdpr gave me Accept/Reject cookies and some more pain as a bonus it seems 😂
GDPR didn’t give you cookie banners, it’s shitty websites that do.
If they were to just follow activated “Do not Track”-Preferences, they wouldn’t need to ask, instead they would deactived them by default. Or you could just not use cookies, it’s not like somebody forces you to give cookies out to your website’s users.
Read the other replies to the parent comment. This is not on GDPR.
Unsubscribing and disabling 2FA seem like two different things.
Probably an unpopular opinion - but I actually think requesting overriding 2fa is a big deal and companies shouldn’t do that lightly. If I had a lot of money in crypto I would sure hope the exchange would scrutinize a request to turn off 2fa. And if op had saved their backup words they wouldn’t have been in this situation.
Now requiring that to change an email subscription is not great, but again - turning off 2fa without the proper backup options should be difficult and scrutinized.
For bypassing 2fa this does seem reasonable. But anyone who can access the email address should have the permission to unsubscribe from messages.
For example on my service there is the concept of a “primary email” which is the only one that can be used to reset the password. But even if you have lost the password and access to your primary email you can still unsubscribe any other email from notifications as long as you can show access to that particular email. You won’t regain access to the account but you can turn off emails.
Nope, fuck that. I’m done giving my personal info out to random ass places for exactly this reason. I don’t trust you with it anymore and the lure of “massive cryptocurrency gains” is long dead and gone. There are only a few cryptos I even still trade but my financial institution lets me trade those coins so I’m fine.
Oh and don’t give me the “not your keys not your coins” argument either. It doesn’t matter, most of these shit coins get rugged anyways so it doesn’t matter if I keep it with a bank, my own wallet or an exchange. At least with my financial institution I can conduct all my trades in one place and minimize security risks by not having so many financial accounts open, or to close for that matter. Also it’s easier to file my taxes this way.
Okay rant over. Thanks for reading.
A requirement beyond an email address to unsubscribe from an email newsletter is illegal in most western countries.
What’s wrong with filtering their domain?
ahh, the sponsor from LTT that mined your PC while at idle :)
I mean, just mark as spam?
It hurts them more if a bunch of people mark them as spam and it becomes a trend doesn’t it? Just seems like a design issue on their part.
I always figured that companies generally wanted to avoid that.
I’d setup a thing to auto-mark them as spam and forget about it. CAN-SPAM and FTC guidelines dictate that for non-transactional emails like newsletters, the user must be able to unsubscribe without a fee and without requiring a login. IDK anything about European law.
I would just block their shit in email
Yup. I try to unsubscribe nicely once. If it isn’t honored they are going straight on my provider’s spam list.
You could block them and the emails will be sent to your spam folder.
It is in spam all the time, I just found some non-spam e-mails there. Trying to clean the folder a bit now
What happens if you just send the example selfie instead of your own? Do they actually check it?
I might try that, but doesnt look promising
I can’t speak for Europe, but a certified letter saying in no uncertain terms that you don’t wish to be contacted again, sent to their legal department should carry the day.
If you have a lawyer friend, bonus points for saying all future correspondence must go through your legal representative, and no other methods (email, phone, sms) are welcome. I believe that notice carries legs in the US.
In europe I suspect the GDPR should let you get all your data, and account removed without jumping through their hoops.
If you asked to delete or alter the account, then it makes sense. To unsubscribe from emails… Well normally not but I guess it’s financial information, and you can’t use 2FA, so I guess it makes sense that they need to protect themselves.
If you never used a document to sign up, then it’s ridiculous to ask for more information… Not sure if it’s actually illegal though, as long as they handle the data correctly.
It would be less morbid if they were asking for documents, but selfie comon…
They are not providing anything important to my email, its just crap like:
Why should you overclock your GPUs? Help us make NiceHash better! Etc
Im contacting them from the same email tho. Obviously company I dont trust and I have to stick to spam folder it seems
Documents don’t help against identity theft. I guess selfies don’t either in the age of deepfakes, but it gives them plausible deniability.
The problem here is that you lost the 2FA, so that makes it difficult.
But yea as long as it’s just emails from a company you don’t care about, setting them as spam is the easiest solution.
