I’ll never understand why people put Steve Jobs on a pedestal. He might have been a very astute businessman , but by all accounts he was a horrible human being and a colossal prick.
He used to eat only fruit and smelled like shit, he’s my hero for that one
Say what you want about Steve Jobs, he’s the guy who killed Steve Jobs
Oh that’s so hilariously dark.
I think I’ve heard that as a Hitler joke. Say what you want about Hitler, at lease he killed Hitler.
That’s more fitting. It’s a miss on Steve Jobs though. For one he didn’t kill himself, cancer did. And for another, just because he could be a prick doesn’t make him a bad person worth killing.
He had a very treatable cancer that was found in the early stages and was given an excellent prognosis, but in his infinite megalomaniac manner he decided he knew better than the doctors and opted to treat his cancer at home with homeopathic remedies. His home made new age “cures” clearly didn’t work and by the time he finally decided to get proper treatment his cancer had metastasized and he was beyond help… sounds to me like he played a large hand in his own demise so the joke plays.
He thought his fruitarian diet would help him against pancreatic cancer. He tried to fight P.C. with apples.
Yeah I get what you’re saying. It’s still something entirely different to bomb yourself to death vs. to not do enough to stop a disease. And even with all the haters in here, I don’t think any reasonable person would want Steve Jobs dead, it’s not like he murdered people.
Getting a treatable cancer and then choosing to do nothing about it other than eat fruit and refuse proper medical care is tantamount to killing yourself IMO.
Cancer did. And just because he could be a prick doesn’t mean he deserved to die so soon.
Iono, the kind of prick he was (narcissist who traumatized his own daughter and headed a company which needed suicide nets for the workers who made their product), paired with the fact that he signed his own death from his own deliberate delusions makes me conclude he did deserve to die, in more than one sense of the word ‘deserve’.
He went down the homeopathic route cause science bad
He helped.
Never said he deserved to die. Interesting what words you’re choosing to put in my mouth.
He had a very treatable cancer and chose to eat oranges about it instead. He killed himself with his own hubris.
He also washed his feet in toilets. I’m not joking.
People liked Bill Gates so … IDK.
what is personally wrong with gates?
He’s really awful too, or at the very least he used to be.
He’s done a lot of rebranding himself as being a great guy as of late, and put his money towards some great causes.
But when he was in charge of Microsoft he’d openly treat people like shit, openly steal things, openly do anticompetitive and illegal business practices, deliberately put small companies out of business, and openly bribe politicians to look the other way as he built his illegally-gained business empire.
The technology landscape today is vastly more closed and monopolised because of his/MS’s actions.
All the recent stuff is him trying to whitewash his image so he isn’t remembered as the bastard he is. Unfortunately, it’s working.
At least he some good causes are getting something out of it
If you accept his research money (which people don’t seem to do anymore) there are so many strings attached that if you find something you’ll probably be liable even if you give it all up for free.
I’m still waiting for something good coming out of his pocket money spendings for good causes.
I’m still waiting for something good coming out of his pocket money spendings for good causes.
The eradication of polio isn’t good enough for you?
put his money towards some great causes
Don’t forget how much MS lobbied countries all over the world to spend public money on MS products. Plus the anticompetitive shenanigans, it’s more of an our money.
- He’s a billionaire.
- Cheated on his wife.
- Travelled to Epstein’s Island.
- Got removed from Microsoft for propositioning female employees for sex
- Used Microsoft’s market position to kill off any competition. Remember Netscape?
- His foundation pushed hard to make the COVID vaccines intellectual property of drug manufacturers so they would get richer, leaving the world dependent on them for doses instead of allowing everyone to produce it.
Don’t forget the incessant lobbying for charter schools even though nobody wants them and there’s no research to suggest they are better than the public system.
He’s a giant asshole too (I mean when you look at Microsoft it’s not very positive) but he’s worked a lot on his image in the last decades
He have really taken an adolf nobel turn.
Bill Gates does some genuinely great things for humanity.
With money he got from a monopoly, meaning the money he took plus the deadweight loss are even worse for humanity. Computers would be even better today if it wasn’t for him, and we would’ve produced better things than we have today.
Monopolists “giving back” is insidious because it’s much easier to see what they gave us than what they took away.
I agree with you but he’s not on the same page as Steve Jobs, not in my book. Billionaires can’t exist in a fair system so they’re existence isn’t justified but comparatively speaking he is better than Jobs
We may have better computers but Malaria may be more of an issue, whereas without Jobs nothing of note would be missing other too many biopics.
It might as well be that if Jobs were still alive, he’d be running some PR washing campaign to also be all good ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Malaria is still around though, spending pocket change for a cause doesn’t mean it’s helping (especially with all the strings attached if you actually get a grant).
Malaria will be beaten with classic research. I mean it’s still all around…
From what I’ve read he definitely had a strong personality and I don’t think anyone sees him as flawless. But that made for some very funny moments. And he definitely was the person that Apple needed at that time.
Strong is one way to wash over his narcissism, delusions, and the abuse he doled out. And you’re wrong, there’s plenty of people who take the washing-over to a degree where they think he was a genius above reproach. Yeah, let’s focus on the funny moments and brush all that abuse and whatnot under the rug, that’s better. I’m so glad a company got to profit from a sociopath’s leadership in the end, gives me the fuzzies. Could you imagine giving up iphones and iOS for some alternative imaginary version of those products? Oh my.
I had a former boss who idolized him. Which was… concerning as his employee.
Steve Jobs was the Elon Musk of his time, he just died too soon for everyone to see him for the villain he was.
Steve Jobs did at least actually do things. Musk just buys things and claims he did them.
Nah Jobs didn’t do anything himself. From Wozniaks first computer up to the multitouch display for the iPhone, all of these things were just bought/stolen/copied. Jobs just knew how to put these technologies into something that would sell.
So elon but a good businessman
Salesman
without the good, or the (hu)man(ity)
There’s no version of this reality where Jobs isn’t a good businessman. You might not like the company or their products, but they’ve somehow managed to build a huge and successful business selling those overpriced toys to tons of people. They managed to create a cult around expensive consumer electronics. That is a massive success no matter how you slice it. And you can’t deny that Jobs played a big part in that.
Also you can tie it directly to Jobs, because when he was gone for a bit, apple fuckin tanked, and then he came back and they came out with the iPod.
That’s not an accident.
The weird thing is that Apple without Jobs was a failure, but also Jobs without Apple was also a failure.
it was just a gag for comic effect. it wasn’t the breadth and depth of my thoughts and feelings of the digital and manufacturing epochs since the 1980s.
But also, it was kind of begging the question of “is there such thing as a good business man?”
There’s good for /their/ business. But is that- in general - good?
Yeah, Steve Jobs was definitely an asshole, and he didn’t personally design any of his products, but he did know what direction to move things in and what consumers wanted in a phone. He was the first to put a truly usable portable touchscreen computer into our pockets with a phone in it, and every phone nowadays is basically just a reimagined, upgraded version of the first iPhone. The way we communicate is forever changed because of the iPhone.
But yeah iPhone’s are kind of the pinnacle of “how much can we fuck you over before you notice” now. All because of the little Apple on the back of the phone.
There is a story that the concept of touchscreen phones was stolen from a Nokia engineer who tried to get nokia to produce them but the feature was dismissed as a ‘gimmick’.
Jesus I’m no Elon fan but how many companies do you have to take from a couple million to hundreds of billions before you’re good at your job?
What is it with modern society and the need to reduce everything about a person just because they’re a POS? He might be evil but he’s clearly pretty good at being a businessman or you wouldn’t even know his name.
But… he literally isn’t. Like just look at twitter, he has ruined it from day one with bad decisions day after day whose impacts haven’t shown directly, but now appear more and more with embarrassing effects (The verification badge which is now worthless and has been used to impersonate people and cooperations, the two factor authentification which stopped working, the self-DDOSing, the maximum amounts of tweets one could view per day, the old tweets that got deleted due to a glitch, etc.)
And in other companies it’s mostly other people managing the stuff and cleaning up the mess he leaves; especially SpaceX is currently just glad that he isn’t too busy with his X playtoy to bother them.
The only thing you may call him somewhat successful in is making out companies that have a potential so he could get into them early and claim their success.It’s a completely different business vertical. Running a government rocketship contract or vehicle manufacturer isnt the same as software development or social media. Plus he’s made so many decisions that are laughably stupid to the layman that it almost seems like he’s tanking it purposefully.
Businesses aren’t all the same and the same type of person can’t run all of them. It’s like asking your heart doctor to give you a urologists opinion.
Tesla started with almost nothing, SpaceX was his from the ground up. I’m not certain how much of Paypal was his but something tells me he was in management there too.
No one’s claiming he developed the Tesla Model 3, or engineered the landing system of the Dragon boosters himself. He has been in charge of the people who have though, and he seems to be doing well enough of a job to keep those companies going.
So he’s not good at managing a social media platform specifically, if he’s actually trying and this isn’t just a long con to destroy the site for some other end goal.
Elon is (maybe was) very much good at what he does. Twitter is a bad example because that whole shit show was a dick measuring content from the get-go.
Fact is, SpaceX wouldn’t be SpaceX and Tesla sure as fuck would not be Tesla without his leadership.
He’s a piece of shit as a person, and I’d never want to work for him, because his work ethic is unhealthy to say the least (and I personally have a pretty extreme work ethic), but it’s schoolyard nonsense to claim he’s somehow bad at business. Leading a business may be the one thing he is good at. It’s tossing shit just to toss shit.
You can not like him and acknowledge he is good at things.
Tesla sure as fuck would not be Tesla without his leadership.
You’re right, it wouldn’t; it would almost certainly be a better company.
Musk got Tesla where it is financially entirely through blatant fraud. “Earning” the company’s absurd valuation based almost entirely on dishonest promises of releasing a technology that is entirely unachievable, undesirable, and dangerous is an unsustainable business model, and it’s already showing cracks.
The fact that you seem to think that being highly profitable through constant ethical violations in every aspect of the company is to viewed as a succsess is honestly pretty gross.
Being a succsessful businessman does not make one a good businessman. Half of the equation is ethics, because it fucking matters.
A successful businessman with bad ethics and an unsuccsessful one with good ethics are both bad businessmen.
The only good businessman is one who both succeeds and has good ethics.
While he has had some success, he’s also demonstrably been a glory hog benefiting from crazy good luck.
He had an Internet company during the first dot com boom. He got a bunch of cash from Compaq for effectively nothing, because businesses had to snap up anything vaguely Internet. Right place at right time, basically won a lottery.
So then he founded an Internet bank. But want allowed to lead it, no matter, either way it was overshadowed by PayPal, which was a runaway success. Somehow he managed a merger with him being put in charge of the joint company. Then he almost tanked it and was put aside to salvage the company. However, he managed to be popularly thought of as “the PayPal guy”
He founded SpaceX. Off the top of my head, that one seems fair enough.
Then you have Tesla, which existed prior to him Knowing about it, yet he still insisted on being called a founder. It’s possible that without him, Tesla wouldn’t have gone far, but either way, he’s been a glory hog about it to the point of again getting himself framed as “the” Tesla guy.
Just like how Elon did not design his rockets, SpaceX engineers did, Steve did not design the iPhone, Apple engineers did.
Also everyone seems to conveniently forget about the factory workers actually building them.
Jobs insisted on removing the keypad from a smartphone. He didn’t make the multitouch display, but he did force app developers to take it seriously.
He was a visionary who was able to see the applicability of new technology, and was able to force his will for better than the standard upon people who would otherwise have thought the improvements impossible. The guy was a fucking jerk, that’s true, but he also completely changed the world with his vision. To say he was nothing more than a Musk, or a thief, is to be disingenuous.
What things did he do?
He invented the rounded rectangle, all hail
There’s also the flat mouse
Jobs insisted on selling a touchscreen-only smartphone. Turns out, he was right on that one.
Tru
Didn’t Musk start SpaceX? That’s, at least, one thing. Too bad he can’t stick to it.
No, he bought it from others and made them sign a contract letting him claim he’s the owner.
Woah; that’s just so wildly inaccurate; I have no idea what to even say.
Are you really saying Jobs was a transphobic right-wing extremist whose father got super rich and helped him to just buy into uprising companies without really doing anything by himself?He did father a child he denied to the day he died, intentionally screwed Woz out of his fair share of the apple fortune, killed himself by treating cancer with quackery. Jobs is probably more self made, but that’s about it.
He did not deny her until the day he died. She even lived with him during highschool, and he named a computer after her, even though he made up a bogus acronym to pretend that wasn’t his motivation.
Woz was worth $500m at one point and is worth $100m today. It’s not like he was cut out of the game, he just wasn’t interested in money or success the way Jobs was. Without Jobs drive for success, Woz would never have shared his inventions with anyone, it was just a private hobby to him.
Steve was definitely an asshole, but there are plenty of valid criticisms to levy at him, you don’t need to misrepresent anything.
’s not like he was cut out of the game, he just wasn’t interested in money or success the way Jobs was.
You really buy that? That’s some bullshit someone says when they got fucked over and know they’ll lose and come out worse if they try to get what’s rightfully theirs.
Woz himself has said as much. The guy has more money than he’ll ever be able to spend. He’s fine.
Woz himself has said as much.
That’s why I said:
That’s some bullshit someone says when…
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t give a shit about the contentedness of any of these treasure hoarding shitdragons, but there never has been and never will be a person who is fine with getting ass fucked out of hundreds of millions of dollars. Even Muskrat is throwing an endless tantrum and fucking up people’s lives over a bad deal, even though he did it to himself on purpose.
there never has been and never will be a person who is fine with getting ass fucked out of hundreds of millions of dollars.
Hi, you don’t know me… but for a single hundred million dollars, you can ass fuck me out of as many hundreds more as you want.
Not to stand up for jobs, but from what I’ve seen of woz, I can totally believe he wouldn’t see more money as worth the bother. From what I’ve seen: If you’re making 36k a year, your are obsessed with opportunities to get more, no matter who you are. Your life is financially difficult and any chance to overcome that is worth it.
If you are making 200k a year, you start seeing different sorts of folk.
Some will not stop until that number is as big as it can be. Their lives will be consumed by that as a “high score”
Some care less about money and more about titles and conspicuous status symbols, like a coveted office.
Some are happy to just do their work the way they like without having to worry about the money anymore, or to work on hobbies and afford to walk away from working.
I know folks that are 200k as “bird in the hand” money and chasing bigger numbers is worth considering, but they are more concerned about risk to their perceived status or working conditions than pay.
Take one of those last sort of folk, get them to tens of millions of wealth and they are likely happy to just stop thinking about the money, even if it means they are sonetimes the chump as a result.
Jobs is probably more self made, but that’s about it.
I just gave you some pretty major differences. To me, most things that defines Musk as the horrible person he is aren’t true for Jobs. Again: The extremist position, transphobia, the fact that he bought into his companies and didn’t actually invent these things and made these breakthroughs by himself (which is just not true for Jobs, even if you have reasons to not like him), that he just got his money by his father’s mine and hasn’t made such successes by himself, etc. All of that doesn’t apply to Jobs.
Those things you mention are just… cases of him doing awful stuff; most of them not even related to Musk in any way. But if “he did awful stuff” is enough to set him on the same layer as Musk, then he is also “the same person” as a good share of all people living.
That’s true, he was not nearly as bad as Musk. I was mainly talking about how he’s a general asshole who steals from others and is revered by techbros. I was maybe being a bit hyperbolic in my comparison.
I don’t necessarily agree with that, but I get this point (in contrast to how you phrased it before), so fair I guess.
But just one thing:
is revered by techbros I actually don’t know any people who revere Musk. I know this is dependent on the bubble, but at least with Jobs being generally seen pretty favourable and Musk seen extremely unfavourable by most people, I think there’s a big difference.
iOS user: “DUDE have you seen [new iOS feature]? This is the bee’s knees!” [10 minutes of gushing omitted for brevity]
Android user: “…Yeah, we’ve had that for 15 years.”Even the iPhone itself was just a more advanced version of a PDA or other handheld PC device that existed years before it. Logically, phones would have advanced similarly with or without Apple.
To be fair, Apple had a PDA, the Newton, back in 1993… Not that it was the 1st again…
I had one called the iPaq.
Apple has since then made it illegal to trademark products starting with “i”. Irony.
iRony.
“Irony”, its probably what the “I” stands for.
It wasn’t an entirely new concept but it completely redefined what it could be. Look up what Android looked like until the iPhone was demoed.
HTC Dream with Android.
What was your point again?
Doesn’t look like a black rectangular piece of glass to me. I think the point they were making was that there was a design paradigm shift when the iPhone came out.
Remember when “resize window from any corner” got a round of applause?
Or when two mouse buttons would be too confusing to users?
edit: fixed typo
Apple always had only one button, right up until it had zero.
Wait what does that mean, how else do u do it and what device was it?
Floating apps. And split screen. I was playing Pokemon Go with reddit open in the corner in 2017 and it was old then. I dunno when iOS got it, but it’s recentish.
Neither floating apps nor split screen were ever released for iOS. Split screen was added a while ago for iPadOS, but floating apps (Stage Manager) was released just last year.
Copy muthafuckin paste. That was a laugh, listening to explanations of why you didn’t need it, until they “invented” that too.
This happens the other way too FWIW
Something something Xerox
Found the commenter who is old enough to retire
I think every nerdy person knows about it though. Gates and Jobs have a pretty famous exchange over it.
Retirement? In this economy?
Fucking wish I could retire
You can… maybe not for long, and not out of the streets, but technically anyone can “retire” at any moment…
Y’all need to watch pirates of Silicon Valley
It’s like the Halloween 3 of the Pirates franchise: pretty good but quite a departure for the series. Notably, neither Captain Sparrow nor Captain Stagnetti make an appearance at all - amongst many other differences.
Amazing review, and shockingly accurate. Well done.
He meant “photostat” though.
If you’re not in the know, google “a neighbor named xerox gates jobs”
Dig an inch and you realize woz has more tech talent in his left pinky than jobs ever did.
Eli5 about it? Please?
I think this captures the highlights of the issue.
https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-answers-reddit-question-about-copying-steve-jobs-2017-3
Haha, I like this part:
[…] Gates responded: “Well, Steve, I think there’s more than one way of looking at it. I think it’s more like we both had this rich neighbor named Xerox and I broke into his house to steal the TV set and found out that you had already stolen it.”
I half expected you to just say “Google it”
Thanks man I appreciate it
Fun fact: Android is older.
Technically correct, but it was originally aimed at Blackberry. https://www.pcworld.com/article/464050/original_android_prototype_revealed_during_google_oracle_trial.html
Apple pioneered a moderately useful mobile browser and fully touch screen UI (except for the home button).
They’ve been copying each other ever since, to the point where I watch the WWDC keynote thinking “they didn’t already have THAT!?” most of the time.
More like Apple copies an android feature that is more than a decade old then claims it as some kind of innovation.
slaps a buzzword on it and makes a trillion. Can’t believe some iphone users consider widgets modetn
Now they do, but the iPhone was revolutionary when it was released. Apple literally changed the world with their invention.
A lot of people forget the early days.
Android had copy/paste first, Apple didn’t for a long time.
Android had MMS support first, Apple didn’t for a long time.
Android had multi tasking apps first, apple didn’t for a long time.
Android allowed app store apps to duplicate inbuilt apps, like web browsers, music players, email clients. Apple banned these for a long time.
I remember having to jailbreak my iPhone 3GS to have swipe down toggles we now know as normal today. It was called SB settings from cydia. I’m pretty sure this was also standard on Android. And file manager.
Android was a poor comparison when iPhone first released. I had one of them. It was neat because it was new, but realistically it was a piece of shit compared to the iPhone. I’m no Apple fan boy, but they genuinely changed the world in many ways
When iPhone first released… it was a piece of shit compared to the HTC Dream with Android. The main improvement Apple did, was removing the keyboard.
I miss when Steve Jobs was the most overtly garbage trashman in the tech industry. Well, at least he’s resting peacefully in hell.
Here are the stats nowadays. Just to make Steve Jobs roll in his grave, once again! 😂
Those are weird stats lumping in phone OSes with desktop/notebook OSes.
while excluding other types of computer like embedded devices, servers and whatnot
If you include servers and embedded devices Linux is gonna go brrrr
And if you count Android and ChromeOS as
androidLinux, which I guess they are (though bastardised somewhat), it’s an absolute bloodbath.I think you meant “if you count Android and ChromeOS as Linux”
Ooof you’re right, thanks. These nightshifts I’m working have my brain in a mess! Corrected
Since we are doing a big mix of everything why not throw there Minix that resides on all Intel chips?
There’s also the fact that there’s no source for the chart. Why is there an unknown category there? Why is it different from other in this context?
I’d guess unknown means whatever was used to record this information couldn’t determine the os (so it’s probably linux lol), whereas the other category is probably BSD and the like.
Just a guess though, I have no idea
the unknown is BEOS.
I liked BeOS for what it was.
Clearly it’s TempleOS.
Considering how many people use a phone as their primary computing device now, it makes sense to me.
I think hed be pretty happy with that! That 13% may be less, but its all from 1 manufacturer or brand. They dont need to share a piece of the pie!
Android4Life! But come on, give up that graph that combines mobile + desktop operating systems! They are totally, completely different and should be kept separate. But only based on who buys them, who uses them, who supports them, customer vs corporate customers, etc…
Only 1% for Linux? Come on, all of Android is Linux!
He died, all right. Never letting go of his bullshit, whether it was alternative medicine or whatever.
Did he forget about windows mobile pda phones that predated the iPhone? I had one of these before the iPhone was a thing: https://m.gsmarena.com/o2_xda_iis-933.php
I miss when devices came with infrared transmitters… Also it had a mini sim & built-in Bluetooth/wifi at that time, wow.
Xiaomi phones still come with infrared, mostly used to control TVs, fans, AC units, etc.
He was just Salty 🧂.
iPhone undeniably brought the technology forward by years, even if only in terms of software. I don’t even like iOS, but it seems disingenuous to compare iPhone to those, or the Samsung tablets, or anything that came before it.
Here in the UK it took over 3 years, after the initial release of the iPhone, for it to even support MMS messaging. Most people around me had Blackberries until Apple actually gave reason for them to consider switching, which took years. It was largely considered to be like the iPods before it: focused on the fashion/‘cool’ aspect of it.
I would not say they brought technology forward, and I’d go as far as to say the strive to bring forward functionalities of the iPhones improved after Jobs (I understand this is a hot take and may result in downvotes, just my opinion based on local experience).
While apple did improve the design, they mostly made it “cool”. Before that they were “nerd” phones. The Motorola V3 was a “cooler “phone at the time until the iPhone came out.
I’m with you, but it seems like this post got taken over by passionate haters
Lol haters. Can’t really blame ppl for saying fanboy if talk like that.
You post a hateful quote and ppl nuance it. Doesn’t seem that bad.
Why does this asshole live rent free in all your heads? I never hear Apple fanboys bitch about that creep Andy Rubin.
Because his company was (and continues to be) a powerful force acting against consumer rights.
He was also a self absorbed asshole that’s still idolized for some reason.
People like people like them.
Your first question is fair, but Apple fans don’t know who that is.
99% of android fans don’t know him either
It’s almost like Android fans are fans of the OS and the features it provides instead of who made it.
Also true.
Almost nobody knows who that is!
Man all this money in the bank and still ranting like a loser. Mfer his company steals all product ideas from other companies right from VR headsets to features from Android and then he says this. Innovate harder bitch 🤣🤣
What are you talking about? He’s dead.
I know. Sorry English is not my first language but i meant everything i said.
At least normal billionaires pretend to be fans of free markets where competition keeps prices in check. Steve Jobs was just honest enough to admit he’s a piece of shit
Yeah Android might have copied IOS. But why not. Android would have been developed any way sooner or later. It is based on Linux. And that is open sourced.
It only took a year for Android to be released after iOS. How long has it taken China to come up with a competing operating system? I’m pretty sure Google was working somewhat in parallel to Apple.
The first iPhone was released in 2007. Android development started in 2003, with the first pitches to phone manufacturers in 2005. So yeah, Android wasn’t merely a copy of iPhone.
The timeline is technically correct but misleading, and please google what Android looked like prior to the iPhone announcement. While you’re there, might also want to check out the technical differences like iPhone prioritizing things like animation and user interaction. Wouldn’t also hurt to check out the first, say, 1-4 Android devices compared to literally just the first iPhone and tell us which one our phones look like today. Also, do we think that Apple was just like “here’s a new OS we made over winter break?” They announced in '06. Android was developed probably at a similar time, bought by Google, and then had to pivot hard after iPhone announcement, and harder still after hardware actually got into customer hands.
If I remember correctly, android was already under development, but huge changes were made after the iPhone came out.
Android was close to being released, but it was going to be much more like a BlackBerry, with a keyboard focus. They delayed the release to retool it somewhat with more of a touch focus.
“somewhat” is doing a lot of work here. I mean, they didn’t re-write the kernel, but you can google example of the UI pre and post iPhone announcement.
In many way iOS had copied android and sometimes they did it late (multitasking, …)
Just about every invention is obvious in hindsight. Take a look at what Android looked like pre-iPhone announcement and then post.
He says great artist steal then says he wants to destroy android for stealing? Like he did anything but hype shit up on stage
He hates artists
Maybe he should have said “The best artist is the one with the best lawyer.”
