Wait, so the people who are willing to consume a product which is almost entirely imported from far away, and is therefor culpable in making the world unlivable because of green house gas emissions; are going to start boycotting it to help a few workers? Because causing a mass extinction is okay, but union-busting is not?

This whataboutism may not be saying that what the Saudis are doing is excusable, but instead pointing out the hypocrisy and saying that if you’re going to complain about the psychotic Saudi regime, you have to admit that the voters who elected Bush and then re-elected him after his invasion of Iraq, are vastly worse than the Saudis. It’s important to know if we are the baddies, especially if we are vastly worse and propping up the Saudis.

I think it’s important to criticize and boycott the psychotic Saudi regime, but also to keep in perspective that there are worse people out there: people who are orders-of-magnitude worse.

Iraqi deaths in the Iraq war in the 8 years from 2003 to 2011 = approximately 461 000 (PLOS Medicine 2013) to 655 000 (Lancet 2006 (PDF)).

That’s currently even worse than the psychotic Russian invasion of Ukraine:

• Ukrainians killed by Russia in the 7 years from 2014 to 2021: approximately 7 800 (OHCHR 2022 p. 3 (PDF)).
• Ukrainians killed by Russia in the 2.5 years 2022 to 2023 = upper estimates of approximately 59 500 (Reuters 2023-04-12+Fox 2023-05-21).

I’m not sure about the Saudi/Kuwait/UAE/Egypt/Morocco/Jordan/Sudan/Senegal/Bahrain/Blackwater (supported by US/UK/France) coalition’s actions in the war in Yemen since 2015.

Edit: I’m also not sure how many the Saudis have killed in the Iran-Saudi proxy wars, so maybe the Saudis do actually have more direct blood on their hands than the western powers in the last 50 years or so.

Editors in Vice’s news division actively welcomed the piece, Lubbock said, as it fitted with the outlet’s track record of reporting on LGBTQ+ rights, autocratic regimes and the Middle East.

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“Their reporting claimed the Saudi state is helping families to harass and threaten transgender Saudis based overseas.”

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“However, publication of the article was repeatedly postponed and then cancelled at the last minute. Multiple sources at Vice said it was pulled after a high-level intervention by senior Vice managers, who said its publication could pose a threat to the safety of the company’s staff working in Saudi Arabia.”

No they’re not - having a kid in an overpopulated world is 2 orders of magnitude worse in the USA.

• 2.4 tonnes of CO2e released per driver per year with the average fossil-fuel powered car.
• 1.2 tonnes of CO2e released for electric car users in most countries.
• 117.7 tonnes per kid per parent per year. Wynes et al. 2017

Human overpopulation is not only the biggest contributor to push us over climate-change tipping-points, it’s also the root cause of almost all other causes. It’s also the root cause of unsustainable habitat loss and pollution. It’s also the root cause of factory farming and industrial fishing, which causes more pain and suffering every year than all other atrocities ever committed in all of history combined.

“Enslave” is a bit harsh, considering there are about 38-50 million people who are currently slaves https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_21st_century

We’re choosing to allow a lot of the things these companies are doing to us; but we could choose to walk away at the cost of some shiny things.

To view a text only version of CNN pages, replace “www” with “lite”. https://lite.cnn.com/2023/07/26/economy/china-youth-unemployment-intl-hnk/index.html is about 50 kB, whereas the original is about 2.7 MB.

BBC article.

which lists religious belief as a group covered by the law

If followers of a denomination of the Invisible pink unicorn (bbHhh) are provoked by people wearing pink clothes because one of their holy books says such people should receive the death penalty, does that therefor make wearing pink clothes illegal in Sweden?