Two people of equal drunkness can do whatever they want because there’s no power imbalance*.
But someone who’s a single drink in shouldn’t have sex with someone who’s absolutely hammered, and someone who’s absolutely hammered shouldn’t force themselves on someone who’s blackout drunk (because that’s literally rape)
Edit:
*Obviously, all other rules that would apply to non-drunk people also apply. I’m not saying they can like, murder each other or anything.
That’s not necessarily true though. A person who really wants to get with someone who has turned them down, goes over when they are vulnerable, knowing they are vulnerable, and plies them with alcohol - that’s still potentially assault. If both parties are drunk, the presumption is not explicitly rape like it would be if there was such a power imbalance, but it isn’t a free pass either.
If your sex partner is intoxicated, it will always raise the stakes, regardless of whether you are also intoxicated. It means you need to be very sure this person wants to sleep with you.
Oh and the bullshit in this is that two drunk people should not be able to consent if one drunk person is not able to consent. But go on, get hammered, get laid. Maybe you will die of liver cirrhosis.
Being able to consent means being able to both understand what you’re consenting to and being able to communicate that you consent to it.
A drunk person can’t understand what they’re consenting to and, after certain levels of drunkenness, can’t communicate their consent either. Therefore they can’t consent. You, being sober, should know this and therefore shouldn’t take advantage of them. If you do take advantage of them, then that makes you a rapist.
As the other commenter pointed out, I hope the women around you know you’re not a safe person to be around.
You do realize that there are different levels of drunkenness right? So a person who drank one beer can not consent anymore, is that what you are telling me?
You do realize that there are different levels of drunkenness right
Literally re-read what I said.
So a person who drank one beer can not consent anymore, is that what you are telling me?
If the person can’t handle the beer then it cannot consent. If you’re sober and they’re drunk then you are raping them.
There’s 2 questions that must be asked in these situation
did she consent to it before being drunk?
is she capable of still understanding what’s going on and guve/remove consent?
If the answer to any one of these is “no”, “wellll”, “idk”, “I think/guess so”, or anything other than a very clear yes then she can’t consent. And when in doubt, assume the answer is no.
Two people of equal drunkness can do whatever they want because there’s no power imbalance*.
But someone who’s a single drink in shouldn’t have sex with someone who’s absolutely hammered, and someone who’s absolutely hammered shouldn’t force themselves on someone who’s blackout drunk (because that’s literally rape)
Edit:
*Obviously, all other rules that would apply to non-drunk people also apply. I’m not saying they can like, murder each other or anything.
That’s not necessarily true though. A person who really wants to get with someone who has turned them down, goes over when they are vulnerable, knowing they are vulnerable, and plies them with alcohol - that’s still potentially assault. If both parties are drunk, the presumption is not explicitly rape like it would be if there was such a power imbalance, but it isn’t a free pass either.
If your sex partner is intoxicated, it will always raise the stakes, regardless of whether you are also intoxicated. It means you need to be very sure this person wants to sleep with you.
I think you’re misunderstanding what I meant but that may be my fault.
Would “Two people of equal drunkness can do whatever under the same terms and conditions as two non-drunk people” be better?
Oh I get it now, you are suffering from muricaistheworlditis.
Oh and the bullshit in this is that two drunk people should not be able to consent if one drunk person is not able to consent. But go on, get hammered, get laid. Maybe you will die of liver cirrhosis.
So since I don’t drink I can’t hookup with drunk girls? Sounds like BS to me.
Exactly, you can’t. That would be rape.
What the heck you are delusional
No.
Being able to consent means being able to both understand what you’re consenting to and being able to communicate that you consent to it.
A drunk person can’t understand what they’re consenting to and, after certain levels of drunkenness, can’t communicate their consent either. Therefore they can’t consent. You, being sober, should know this and therefore shouldn’t take advantage of them. If you do take advantage of them, then that makes you a rapist.
As the other commenter pointed out, I hope the women around you know you’re not a safe person to be around.
Oh shut the fuck up
I’m very thoughtful and delicate regarding consent and am not going to let some asshat tell me that I’m “not safe to be around”.
Given what you’ve said so far I’m gonna call bullshit on that.
I see, almighty, all knowing, the plot continues. Well whatever, I think I’m going to continue “raping” people then.
Did you ever think about the fact my initial comment might have been fictitious?
You do realize that there are different levels of drunkenness right? So a person who drank one beer can not consent anymore, is that what you are telling me?
Literally re-read what I said.
If the person can’t handle the beer then it cannot consent. If you’re sober and they’re drunk then you are raping them.
There’s 2 questions that must be asked in these situation
did she consent to it before being drunk?
is she capable of still understanding what’s going on and guve/remove consent?
If the answer to any one of these is “no”, “wellll”, “idk”, “I think/guess so”, or anything other than a very clear yes then she can’t consent. And when in doubt, assume the answer is no.
No. Also I hope the women you know are aware that you are not a safe person to be around.
Interesting that you know me so well from one comment. Share your wisdom Internet Wizard :)) How did you become all-knowing?
Probably from reading the part in your comment which says:
So you really are all-knowing, Internet Warrior? Show me the powerful way to becoming a keyboard ninja then, please!