Meanwhile in the usa… Our very own real estate fraudster with 91 felony charges is the pick of 50% of the country to be president.
That was bizarre to type. I can’t believe this is reality.
You didn’t even mention the raping
We’re taking about the rich, it’s implied
Or the fact the other real estate fraudsters who admitted dont convict Trump of the crime we are also doing!
I can’t say nothing will happen to them as I thought, nothing would happen to Trump and here we are.
I also have a biy more respect for giving someone enough rope to hang themselves. If Trump would of been stopped before his presidency, due to all of the reason any previous candidate would of been disqualified. We wouldn’t be here either.
Or the fact the other real estate fraudsters who admitted dont convict Trump of the crime we are also doing!
I keep reading and rereading this “sentence” and I’ve come up empty. Can you clarify?
Sure! In summary the political process would of discarded Trump as a candidate before reaching office. For reference there was a politician who dropped from running because he had a weirdish yell played across the air.
Then you have Trump in office, having never divested from his companies, from day one Trump was in violation of a crime. Now here is where the rope comes into play. Trump was playing the gambit of not bring charged while in office which allowed him to believe he could keep delaying the clock.
Now due to his corruption, he has taken down the GOP, that party is slowly imploding, judges, politicians he has exposed the entire grossness of the system.
So short rope, no insurrection maybe… Long rope and it leave a wider wake of destruction. RNC downfall, GOP splitting up…
The 67-year-old chair of the real estate company Van Thinh Phat was formally charged with fraud amounting to $12.5 billion — nearly 3% of the country’s 2022 GDP.
Wow, when your fraud starts being measured in “percentage of GDP” you know you got too greedy.
According to prosecutors, over a period of three years from February 2019, she ordered her driver to withdraw 108 trillion Vietnamese dong, more than $4bn (£2.3bn) in cash from the bank, and store it in her basement.
That much cash, even if all of it was in Vietnam’s largest denomination banknotes, would weigh two tonnes.
From a BBC article
Dang, that’s a lotta dong.
She likes dong even more than OPs mom
Let’s not be ridiculous, OP’s mom can handle a lot more dong.
Is this what equal opportunity under the law looks like?
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SEE! THEY’LL KILL YOU!!
Finally some good fucking news!
Now if only we could do this to blackrock execs in burgerland
Vietnam, still undefeated
The French beg to differ
France lost to Vietnam though, that’s why there’s still a Vietnam and not L’Indochine Française or whatever they were gonna call it
I don’t know if this is sarcasm or if you consider six decades of being colonies as a win
I read the article and I know her fraud was extensive but - anyone else feel like the death penalty for fraud is a bit over the top?
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I think people like her deserve to spend the rest of their lives in prison, but no crime, no matter how severe, deserves a death penalty.
Nah, make the rich afraid again. We can talk red rose pacifism once the ultrawealthy are out of the picture.
I think there are certainly crimes that deserve the death penalty (think CP type crimes). Just get those people out of society tbh, but this is just my opinion.
The only problem I have is with 100% certainly. You would have to be certain, or very very close to absolute certainty, that you have the right person who committed the crime.
If the person goes to prison for the rest of their lives, it will keep society safe from them either way. The death penalty is not making society safer.
People in maximum security prisons can, and do, escape. Sometimes the commit more violent crimes once they escape. A malicious governor can, in most states, pardon any person they want, and there’s no legal recourse. (In my state, the governor does not have the legal power to pardon a person until they’ve served at least 6 (?) years, and have been recommended by the parole board.)
On the other hand, people don’t get raised from the dead, no one gets resurrected, and there’s no reincarnation. Dead is dead, and is as safe to society as is possible.
The death penalty is certainly over-used, and applied in cases where it’s not likely necessary, but I absolutely, 100% believe that people like e.g., Gary Ridgeway should be executed as quickly as is possible.
The risk of me getting wrongfully convicted of something and getting a death sentence is higher than the chance of some dangerous murder escaping prison and hurting me.
Unfortunately being absolutely 100% certain is not a luxury we have in the majority of cases. People are framed, new evidence comes up, things like lie detectors and blood splatter analysis turn out to be junk science. Life in prison can get overturned and corrected if mistakes were made, death can’t.
I think that you can make it much, much more difficult to get a wrongful conviction in a case that’s eligible for the death penalty though. I think that, for starters, all interactions with police should require video and audio, so that suspects can’t be coercively questioned for 16 hours without an attorney before signing a “confession”. I think any claimed evidence should have to have standards that were published, peer-reviewed, and repeatable before they could use it. And I think that crimes eligible for an imposed death penalty should have to take place over a period of time, rather than a single event. E.g., a robbery/murder shouldn’t get the death penalty, but (per an earlier comment I made) a serial child rapist should. I would even say that you should be absolutely required to have forensic evidence in order to get a death penalty conviction; I believe that most exonerations were for convictions that relied on witness testimony, official misconduct, and coerced confessions, usually combined with an overworked and ineffective defense attorney.
I dunno; even the possibility of someone like Ed Kemper ever getting out–like if he ever tells the parole board that he thinks he’s finally safe–is terrifying.
Point about escaping/pardon. I acknowledge that society is ever so slightly safer when exceptionally dangerous criminals are executed.
About the risk of being pardoned by a malicious state, it’s true… But the other way could also be true that a malicious state can execute people who don’t deserve to be executed, like Snowden… Perhaps a compromise is to make particularly heinous crimes unpardonable? That would be a decent alternative to the death penalty, and it would be very difficult to repeal such a law.
As for escaping prison, it’s already rare that someone escapes from it. The solution is making better high security prisons for the most violent and dangerous criminals. I think it’s definitely possible to make escaping so difficult and dangerous that it wouldn’t be a problem. Make a prison on an island or an old oil rig, implants to track the prisoner’s location (a fancier version of the anti-theft tags in clothing stores), random X-rays to check they don’t have anything hidden in their bodies. All of these are definitely better than executing someone, though personally I think that maximum security prison breaks are already so rare it wouldn’t be worth it.
Remember that people did escape from Alcatraz. And Devil’s Island, IIRC. Never underestimate the ingenuity of prisoners that really, really don’t want to be prisoners.
I think that the death penalty should be used in extremely limited cases, cases where there’s not even a shadow of a doubt about guilt, and where the person has committed multiple heinous crimes spanning a period of time (say, >1 year). So a simple mass murderer wouldn’t be eligible, but a serial child rapist would be. You’d also need to have forensic evidence that at a minimum cleared the Daubert standard, and you’d have to exclude forensic evidence that relied on standards that hadn’t been published and peer-reviewed. So DNA and fingerprints would be in, but forensic bite impression analysis would be very definitely out.
I think the evidentiary bar should be extremely high for death penalty cases. I think that it’s currently mostly applied to people that don’t have enough money to get better legal counsel.
I would also say that convicted people should be able to request the death penalty rather than life without parole. I can’t speak for anyone else, but if I had the choice between decades in prison, or being summarily executed, I’d take execution.
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That’s an interesting interpretation.
Yes, I think that Roger Stone should be executed, so that if Trump is re-elected he can’t pardon him.
Great for them! Happy for you Vietnam 🙂
Vietnam continues to win.
Has the death penalty been used for this sort of crime before in Vietnam and has it been effective at deterring others in a measurable way?
In Vietnam? Not sure. The French seemed to have a lasting benefit from doing this to every landlord they could lay hands on in the late 1700s, though.
Has the death sentence been a deterrent for any crime?
Singapore kills drug dealers which is a bit scary.
I hope that city gets an asteroid.
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Tin pot dictator states get the asteroid. Quick before the authoritarianisn disease spreads.
No it’s a big show for statists to show how strong and dominating they are. It’s not about your lowly practical concerns. It doesn’t even matter of they kill the right one. As long as blood is spilled. The anger of the masses will be sated for a little while and all will know there is no escape from the violence of the state.
Now do Trump
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Do both the genocidal candidates actually
This but unironically.
I don’t believe these things happen because of great work or investigations, she must have stepped on someone else’s toes or something, that’s the only way influential people go down…
There’s your answer:
Her actions “not only violate the property management rights of individuals and organizations but also push SCB (Saigon Joint Stock Commercial Bank) into a state of special control; eroding people’s trust in the leadership of the Party and State,”
Is this stepping on someone’s toes? “If we don’t hold rich people accountable, people will think we don’t hold rich people accountable”.
And this scream of, we’ll make a barbaric and extreme example out them for violating our god, money, and nobody will question our resolve and ability to catch the 99.99% of those who get away with it.
What are you talking about? The money is the combined output of the workers of Vietnam. It’s people’s money, they have the right to protect it from parasites. The people’s government went after a capitalist to protect the people’s livelihood.
I don’t think the death penalty is ever right, but acting like this person wasn’t the worst type of criminal, and that the legal system didn’t enact the will of the people here is wrong.
Liars are not the worst kind of crininals, by a wide margin, and this particular type of liar was enabled by the greed of others as well as that of the state. Nobody loses “percentages of the gdp” on their own. This barbarism has nothing to do with justice and everything to do with the butchers of the state trying to save face and fulfill their promess of infinite vengeance against those who would embarrass it.
The Earth needs cleansing from the statism infection, today’s most wretched mental illness.
Not liars, criminals with tens of thousands of victims. If you don’t want the state of Vietnam to conduct executions then they need to fall out of favour with the people. This is an issue of societal values. If instead just the state felt embarrassed, then carrying out a punishment abhorred by the people would only embarrass them more.
It’s a killer state, the people will have to do what it says. Or else… The state is only embarrassed to have its deadly coercive deterrence disrespected.
The solution to that is easy, state sanctionned executions. What better way to keep tge population in line and trust your the one and only strong man they crave so much.
Are they wearing the same lipstick? She must have pissed off a high ranking communist.
#victimsOfCommunism UwU
