Jerboa users would find this very funny, if they could see it.
Literally the third post I see from Jerboa for Lemmy this morning.
😡 I see you right now, punk.
/s, well, I mean I’m using Jerboa but I’m not actually trying to be angry lol
Saw this within 30 seconds of switching to Liftoff after Jerboa just crashed lmao
Unless you’re an independently wealthy jackass, I’m not sure how you can attack non-FOSS software users. I am a software engineer and I get paid to write software. I write some code for fun at home too and if people use any of my projects Im delighted. But if you want bug fixes and reliability and consistent new features and updates to apis and I have to listen to your bullshit complaints about how XYZ is better, you bet your ass I’m gonna charge for that.
It’s like a baker making bread who gives out a few loaves for free at first. You don’t get to complain if 100s of people show up demanding free bread and he starts charging them. Maybe communism is a system that demands people work for free, but elsewhere you’re entitled to whatever wage the market will bear.
The bread analogy dies at the same point that the piracy argument dies. It isnt truly stealing to make a copy of something… and it doesnt cost a developer more effort the more people that download their app.
Yes i would download a car.
Years ago, I came to the conclusion that the right way to support yourself being a software company was to provide service, not software. I also believe selling software licenses to for-profit companies is a good strategy. Bug bounties are fine too.
Point is, I think there are plenty of ways software developers can make a living without being closed-source or nag-ware. Most companies do not want their employees spending time fixing bugs in software, and many are fine paying reasonable licensing fees as long as their software group is satisfied with the service - which mainly happens when said IT group isn’t having to spend too much time messing with it.
You are right, but I see no reason why you couldn’t sell Libre software. People never have to pay for software, they choose to do it. It doesn’t matter if the app is proprietary or not.
I’m reminded that in the past every release of a software (at least the major ones) would be a single paid-for release. Obviously the google play model inhibits that kind of sensible monetisation straegy for now (I think).
Think photoshop before, the model that clip studio pro has ‘reverted’ back to (I support it, but I can’t help but remember that time when they bombed twitter with adverts with a deal - that’s money that didn’t go towards development).
I read your name as rustic titties, and I have never been more disappointed in my whole life…
Disappointed tit.
milkmaids>>>
-medieval males
The Free Software movement has nothing to do with price. It’s about freedom. We deserve to have the freedom to control our own devices. Proprietary software takes that away, so it’s unethical.
It’s shame, if only the ideology wasn’t born in an anglophone country maybe this common misconception would have never been a thing in the first place.
LIBERTÀÀÀ!!
This is all sounding a bit insular. I’m happy with the tech stuff but let’s not turn the entire site into a discussion about a specific app or two.
It’s a discussion about ethics. Proprietary software is unethical.
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I was using Jerboa up until now and am now using Sync because I used it for Reddit.
…and that’s it. I don’t understand why this gets so much talk. There are so many options. Just use something. We all want Lemmy to grow so I don’t see the problem.
Because third party apps are literally the point that drove a lot of people to Lemmy in the first place. It’s classic selection bias.
I’ve tried a few apps (Liftoff, Wifwif or whatever it was called, and now Sync). I’ve not stuck with any of them, despite the fact I used RiF and later Boost both for years.
They just feel too early stage. Eg, Wifwif was super sluggish and I accidentally cancelled multiple long comments I typed up by trying to scroll, which is a big oof. With Sync, I noticed the comment hierarchy was messed up and when I went to post about that, I couldn’t do it from within the app because posting isn’t supported yet (feels like a big thing to be missing).
So for now, I’m still just using the website. And not with the PWA, because support for multiple tabs is really great and avoids weirdness with scrolling when going back.
Side note: why do literally no apps support tabs??? Number zero feature request I’ve ever had, for every single app. I even noticed that Sync has a long press to open posts in background, but it’s only for posts and it is rather convoluted cause it’s more like opening a second instance of the app. The back button goes to my Android home screen (not back to Sync) and it is hard to navigate to what you just opened.
Mobile Chrome’s tab groups feature is absolutely amazing. I hate using “normal” tabs anymore, cause the tab groups having the tabs accessible at the bottom of the screen is unbeatable.
I’ve been using Liftoff but Sync feels a lot more polished except what it does with the comments sometimes - showing child comments with no parent. Liftoff would show the parent comment so I don’t know what’s up with that.
Long time RiF user but no LiF 🤷♂️
Most of us were like that, but the sudden excitement we all had for the app release caused a counter-surge of people annoyed at our excitement and sometimes exaggerated statememts, which caused a lot of us to dig in our heels against the backlash in defence.
Add to that a user base used to no ads and no fees, with a user base who is okay with either, you’ve got the perfect ingredients for the mud soup we’ve found ourselves in.
I don’t understand why this gets so much talk
Because proprietary software is unethical.
The number of bad takes in this thread has convinced me that Lemmy may really succeed
I’m using Sync for lemmy
edit: I tried it these days and I don’t like it, I’m switching back to the webapp
The amount of shilling Sync receives makes me worry that something is up with it. It’s not normal that I even believe some bots and sock puppets are involved. I’m not touching it with a long stick until someone does some proper security analysis on it. I’m not dumb to fall for peer pressure. Good luck, guys!
Nah man, it’s just good.
(I don’t use it btw)
FOSS for Lemmy
It’s just very popular - I used it for reddit. It had a lot of installs on play and was recommended often on reddit.
It’s just good. I used it for years, and even bought the Pro version of the reddit app. The main feature for me is the performance. I don’t have a high end phone and Sync are the only one with a consistent scrolling performance (no dropped frames).
I’m not touching it with a long stick until someone does some proper security analysis on it
How would that happen? It’s proprietary software, we don’t have access to the source code. And that’s the whole point. We can’t verify what it does and we can’t modify it.
The alternative is Free/Libre Software. That’s what Lemmy is, Jerboa and many others. Their authors publish the source code and let their users study it, modify it and distribute it. Because they are not trying to hide anything from us. That’s the ethical way to make software.
Security analysis doesn’t require the source code. TikTok was repeatedly analyzed without it being open source.
Perhaps you are right, but it’s way more difficult, takes a lot of time and requires a different set of skills. If there is spyware in it, it would be illegal to remove it and distribute a patch for other users. So even if you find something, there is not much you can do about it.
It’s not very practical to add spyware into Libre Software though, because it wouldn’t be hard to find and it would be very easy for users to remove it.
Same.
I never thought I’d be in an environment where FOSS user is the majority demographic.
I feel like I’m hanging out in a crypto community where Bitcoin maximalists are the majority… I hate it.
Boy do I have to bad news for OP about how advertising & marketing works in the for profit world.
But the devs if Lemmy (and theirfor also Jerboa) are communists
The two main devs are, but a lot of the contributors aren’t
Oh no more ways to enjoy the fediverse. Oh no the thousands of users of sync for reddit might come here now oh no this is a disaster!
But have you tried Jerboa…
on weed?
Yeah, still liked Connect better
I’ve been a Lemmy about 2 weeks and I’m practically radicalized for FOSS. I’m about to custom install Arch Linux and burn a Sync user at the stake.
I’ve been here almost a month and I don’t know what FOSS is, and at this point I’m scared to ask.
Free and Open Source Software
I had been using Liftoff and am now trying out Voyager and Sync.
So far Sync is winning me over.
I agree.
-Sent from FOSS for Lemmy
Just tried it, gonna stick with it ty
As long as we can all agree that the people using the web UI are fools and/or masochists
(sent from Infinity)
I’ve used Jerboa, Connect, Liftoff, Sync, and Infinity. The mobile site is still my favorite.
